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hello

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hey guys how's it going um welcome back

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to the channel um i've not got my green

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screen set up or anything so excuse the

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mess behind me but this is going to be

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an awesome show

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it's all the family from the anomalous

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podcast network so let's bring them in

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first of all let's try and bring in dan

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hello

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i'm actually at vinnie's today we we uh

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i drove up today where this weekend

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going up to balaskin house uh just near

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loch ness to make a documentary about

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aleister crowley or crowley depending on

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which type of future on

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yeah so uh yeah something a little bit

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different guys

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um

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just something fun you know and this

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conversation is going to be fun let's

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bring in our next guest

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priscilla how you doing hello how is

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everyone

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out yeah

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notice that we didn't make it we're in

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the same room i could have sat over

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there and you guys would have told me in

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the back and be like oh my god they're

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people would have been so mad though

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that you didn't tell them they'd be like

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we saw dan back there

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[Laughter]

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let's not leave him waiting any longer

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please welcome mr graham rendell graham

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how are you man hi guys uh good to see

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you both there having fun sharing a

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bottle of wine

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i think you're on the train tomorrow to

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inverness is that right yeah we got like

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an eight-hour train journey i'll

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probably i know which train it'll be and

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i'll probably stay i'll could stand at a

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clinton station which is about two miles

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west of me and i could wave to you when

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you were

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amazing that would be great yeah love

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that so that would be so good

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um so we're actually waiting on dave

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partridge he's um he's in makeup

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apparently he's still getting ready so

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he can't get the flicks going it's all

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good it's all good um so let's just kick

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start this conversation actually i'm

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just gonna preface everything by saying

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this is this is a podcast and i am

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talking to other podcasters but i'm also

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talking to researchers we're all a

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family and this conversation might not

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be for everyone you know this isn't

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somewhere tonight where we're going to

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get new information about ufos or

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anything but it is a conversation that i

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think is valuable because

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we all do podcasts we all speak to

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different people and i think it's

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important that we then like converse

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between ourselves and you never know

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what conversations come from those those

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kind of chats so you know it's it's just

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something a little bit different and a

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bit of fun as well you know so

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yeah before everyone goes mad in the

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comments can can we just give sean rash

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a shout out there he said what a good

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looking group oh

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you know i think he's talking about you

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good to see everyone here so listen what

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i'm going to start off talking about is

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podcasts and what made you start so

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priscilla i'm gonna start with you if

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that's okay

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absolutely so i just started because i

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found you guys and

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i didn't have anybody to talk to in

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everyday life you know i didn't finish

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school so i'm not working i'm not like a

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scientist like i was supposed to be i

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it's not really like kid talk all the

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time to talk about this sort of stuff

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and it's definitely not um army wife

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uh most the time so i just wanted to

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talk to people and what really

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fascinated me was uh you all who were

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already doing the work

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and i wanted to know what drove

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um interviewing the interviewer in a

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sense but then i also have this passion

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for books i was like hey like i really

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want to interview authors about anything

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strange weird and ufo spirit spiritual

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paranormal all that stuff so that's why

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i started

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that's awesome awesome and before we

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move on to you graham

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i'm going to bring in dave i think he's

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fresh from wardrobe and makeup

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dave how are you doing man

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good thank you mate good to see you yeah

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oh is this the first time you and

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priscilla have met dave yeah yeah

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amazing awkward first date

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did you make it though yeah

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yeah i heard you spend a lot of time so

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you know

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i learnt from vinnie that's why

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i just like sharing all the knowledge

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um so graham and dave together because

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you host your show together like it's

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probably a little bit different for you

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guys because you don't have like guests

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necessarily but

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i won't i guess the question is what

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made you start but i think andy just

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pressured you basically but you know

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let's hear your take on it come on dave

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you go first yeah it was press count

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more or less

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yeah conscripted um

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he wanted to do something different um

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he wanted someone who could dive into

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the historical aspect of the subject and

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you know through conversations with

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graham and myself um on andy's show you

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know he kind of thought that

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us having a conversation together would

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be perfect for

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what a perfect platform for you know the

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historical

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ufo files to come to fruition

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yeah it sounded me out um a couple of

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times before we sort of came up with a

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eventual idea and then i think we

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discussed it over a coffee one day in in

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these starbucks that he frequents down

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in newcastle so um yeah we uh yeah we

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were thrashed out bit what was possible

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um i wasn't really sure to start with to

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be honest because

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i'm not entirely sure i'm a great fit

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for being a presenter i'm more like you

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know i feel more comfortable as a be

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somebody who's being interviewed so i

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don't know how that comes across when

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i'm sort of asking the questions or i'm

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talking about it but it wasn't

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necessarily what i thought was my

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natural environment

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so i was a bit hesitant

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and i think i hadn't looked beforehand

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to find there was any kind of vehicle i

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could use to become a podcaster and i

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sort of resigned myself to the fact that

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no i'm not i'm not cut out for this but

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andy sort of convinced me and when he

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suggested i do something with dave i

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thought yeah i'll leap at that because

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it it just sounded such a good idea and

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it seems to have worked so far so i'm

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i'm really happy how it's uh how it's

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yeah i suppose it must be nice to have

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someone to bounce off because i'm solo

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and priscilla you you're so also so dan

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let's hear from you because you

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obviously work with andy on that ufo

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podcast so a little bit what's it like

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someone to bounce off it's a you know

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what it was a very natural organic thing

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that it came about like all all you guys

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are seeing is basically what andy and i

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did anyway and we we connected before i

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went on the podcast with andy and before

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you know the podcast became you know

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successful um and yeah we would just

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have conversations just like kind of i

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guess we will probably have after this

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tonight and

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the ones we had and then the guys when

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we met and we just thought you know what

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should we just record these and put

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these out and we started and people

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responded well and yeah it's quite good

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because andy has a different perspective

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to me he's more

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nuts and bolts a bit more

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in the middle of the road whereas i'm

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quite into the woo side of things so we

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balance each other out quite nicely and

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and you know neither of us take it

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personally um and yeah it's just nice

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excellent excellent now unfortunately

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and i saw a lot of comments the last

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couple of days saying you know it's a

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shame andy can't make it but we have got

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a message from andy so

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andy is computer generated this is yeah

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i'm gonna bring that up before we no one

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has that accent move on oh my gosh

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ah look at it there he is right i know

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i hope the volume's okay guys so let's

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let's just play this see what see what

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he's got to say

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hi all vinnie dan graham dave and

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priscilla sorry i can't be there live

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that sounds like one of those bad award

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acceptance speeches now doesn't it uh

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can't be there live via satellite um

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just a massive thank you from me uh to

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all of you for being a part of anomalous

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podcast network the idea was to get a

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range of shows to people via audio

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platform i love audio i love podcasts in

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general that people might not otherwise

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know are find because they watch them

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via other methods um the response has

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been amazing uh there's been such a

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variety of podcasts and youtube content

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for people to consume on the topic of

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ufos i was hoping to bring like-minded

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podcasts together people like yourselves

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with the right attitudes and approach to

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the subject that i like to think i have

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and take as well and i really enjoy

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listening and watching your own content

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too and from vinnie and priscilla who

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have established podcasters allowing me

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to put their shows and content out to

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graham and dave's starting their own

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which i wanted them to do for a long

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time but had never really said and their

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show really is truly unique and that's a

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really hard thing to do in this day and

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age and it just gets better with each

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passing episode people should be

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checking that out um

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and it really adds to people's knowledge

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of the subject as well we can get lost

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in the here and now but there's a rich

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history that dave and graham both cover

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fantastically and of course dan as well

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not only for his graphics work which he

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does i think a lot of people probably

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assume that anyway for the the logos and

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the various podcasts they have distinct

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looks about them too um but again

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hopefully he's going to be starting his

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own ones and he's mentioned and talked

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about before with his own his own style

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so um enjoy your conversation thanks to

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all the folks on now deserve your

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support their attention

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they contribute a lot to a topic um

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right now which which desperately needs

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people like them so um thank you very

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much and enjoy the rest of your chat

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folks no

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bless him

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sorry thank you i just want to say that

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jay curse of the king just said this

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would be a great opportunity for a deep

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fake if anyone in ufology could convince

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me imitate andy one and he doesn't use

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an impressions if you haven't heard them

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i'll get him to do some more on the next

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show and uh to jay how do you know what

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that wasn't a deep fake

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[Laughter]

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i like it i like it now

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i asked andy to do that i was i wasn't

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sure whether it was going to be like

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humorous or also the point and yeah so

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thank you andy anyway for doing that i

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really appreciate it and for his hard

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work you know he works so hard

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and but he raised a good point in there

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and that's when he was mentioning dave

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and graham's show talking about this

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rich history that i think sometimes does

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get a bit lost or people really do spend

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too much time focusing on this here and

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now so again dave or graham if you want

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to just

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touch upon the importance of of the

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relevance of these old cases still being

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looked at and not forgotten

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well the reason they're still around is

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because they've never been explained

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um and you know for people who think

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that

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ufology started in 2004 with a limited

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event

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you know this gives

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us a chance to um

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you know kind of fill in the 60 years of

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blanks to happen before that

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yeah that's true there's

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there is such a rich history and as dave

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says a lot of it hasn't been explained

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some of it has but it hasn't necessarily

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been explained to the degree that people

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might like so you know you everybody

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knows a story about how blue book sort

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of just threw explanations random

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explanations of certain things that

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didn't always make sense you know oh

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yeah it's venus it's a swamp gas kind of

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thing so we're trying to go beyond those

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um kind of just you know mundane

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explanations that were just thrown to to

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basically give the press or the public

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something just to go yeah okay that's

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fine let's what's what's next and

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actually dial by finding what the real

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story is behind these these subjects and

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these these cases and bringing out it so

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people can see them because otherwise

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they're just going to get lost in the

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midst of time and people don't

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necessarily always have the time or the

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inclination or sometimes just

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aren't aware that these things exist

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from back then um and if they're not

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reading books or they're not looking um

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at certain podcasts or certain magazines

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etc then these things escape them and

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hopefully this is a good vehicle to

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bring the you know this kind of thing to

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their attention

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yeah absolutely i mean it's one thing i

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really like graham that you do is you

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regularly put posts up on twitter with

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some documents or cases i think he did

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one today from

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1950 was it

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um i've had some from yeah 1948 1954

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yeah yeah

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it's great because i always take you

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know stop for a minute and read them and

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you can you can link some of those old

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cases with the more modern stuff

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i think that's quite valuable as well to

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show that this is not a new thing it has

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been happening for a long time so

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these uh drone explanations just can't

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be that simple

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no they can't be that's true i mean i'm

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not the only person that does that

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obviously um sean witness citizen he he

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has you know he has quite a good thing

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about putting things forward as well he

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looks at really obscure documents so i'm

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not the first and certainly would be the

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last person to do this but it's quite

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interesting somebody's just stumbling

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across something and thinking actually

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that should be put out there for people

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to read and it's not just something i

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should keep a hold of until i put into

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the next book i'm writing or something

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like that i'd rather have it out there

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for people to have a look at and examine

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even if it's something that actually

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isn't doesn't really amount to anything

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because sometimes they are meteors they

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are fireballs you know kind of thing and

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they're not ufos but it's just

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interesting to see what the kind of

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reporting was back then and the levels

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that people went to in terms of writing

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things down um and how it was put across

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to the people who needed to know that

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information

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and then you contrast that with what's

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happening today and you can see

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parallels with sometimes you see

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differences as well and it just all adds

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up to a bigger picture

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yeah absolutely i will give a shout out

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to mr sean rash

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awesome awesome researcher but very

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valuable that's actually another duo

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isn't it because he does it with jay and

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they bounce off each other really well

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yeah they do

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they're great

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so priscilla what are your thoughts oh

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yeah they

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i think that what you guys do is great

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because i love i'm a little bit of a

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history nerd um i don't talk about it a

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lot but when i

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see something that

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when when either of you post something

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it's something that i automatically stop

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and i really take the time to read

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that's not saying that i'm just

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scrolling through but we all scroll

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through and we're like oh someone's

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complaining oh that's not real oh that's

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gimmicky and then we i see graham or

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dave posting and i'm like pump the

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brakes this is something i really want

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to read

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and i will read it and i love learning

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about the history because without the

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people are always like oh well why does

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the old cases we've all heard it we've

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all heard it like no you haven't reread

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it again with a set of fresh eyes now

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even if you have heard of it so you kind

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yeah it's great to

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you know go back and see the same

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investigative techniques were being used

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still being used today

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and

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coming up

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against the same obstacles that we do

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as well you know they were being blocked

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by the us air force or they couldn't get

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the information they wanted from the

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government and

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you know they didn't have the internet

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to help them they if they wanted to find

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out something from another researcher

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there to write a letter

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or go and visit them wait a couple of

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weeks for a response so you know it's

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kind of

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we appreciate the historical aspect more

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because of the work and the boots on the

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ground that they actually had to do

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i think people forget that there weren't

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that many researchers back then anyway

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certainly in the 50s and 60s it was a

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great it was a kind of like a you know

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in the infancy of people actually get

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into grips of the situation i know i've

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in in the food fighters book i railed

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against the fact that a lot of their

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crew weren't um you know interviewed

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straight after the water about their

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experiences but actually you know really

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i should have like you know sort of

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modified that with a kind of saying well

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look it is because there weren't that

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many people available to do that kind of

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work and also if you are so spending

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most of your time as people like len

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stringfield were writing a newsletter it

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leaves vet or coral lorenzen doing a pro

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it leaves very little time for to

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actually do anything worthwhile beyond

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that um because people have families you

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know jobs all the rest of it so you know

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where would the time come from and also

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more importantly where would the money

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come from to keep traveling around the

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country ringing people up sending

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letters all the rest of it it costs

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money in time and people just didn't

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have that unfortunately

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yeah definitely you mentioned families

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there and i mean this is something that

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everybody has

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and we all have them and this is why

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like what we do you know it has impact

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on our families because we

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spend our time researching hosting

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podcasts and doing all these things for

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the subject

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and the cost is that we spend less time

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with our families i think that's just

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something that i think gets lost

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somewhere or people don't realize that

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and

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they quickly easily complain about

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something but they don't appreciate

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things in in in the right way sometimes

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you know i don't want to focus on the

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negative i just felt like i should

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mention that um and you're talking about

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these old cases and all of the documents

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and stuff that we had with blue book and

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stuff and

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bringing it up to modern days we've just

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seen these awesome documents the dia

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documents come out and the mainstream

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media have jumped on it again and i've

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certainly noticed a lot

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more interactions online because of that

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so what have you guys what do you guys

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think about these awesome dia things

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i'm just going to admit now that i

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haven't read any of it

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that's okay

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i've been busy

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yeah it's been it's only been a few days

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i think one thing that stuck out for me

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is that we keep getting more and more

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information but we still haven't

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you know we still don't know all the

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nuances between atip and osap even with

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hundreds thousands more documents what

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do you think yeah yeah um it's been

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really interesting seeing people dig

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into them um sean and jay have been

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digging into the dudes and all the

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documents um

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adam kehoe online as well has been

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looking at the sources for the documents

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themselves and finding that a lot of the

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data comes from mufon um and yeah it's a

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lot to dig into but it's almost like

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we're crowd sourcing the effort and i've

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been really curious because obviously

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dave and graham are quite nuts and bolts

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but priscilla is quite you know into the

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i'll say the woo and i don't mean to

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disparage no absolutely not

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um

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00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,360
but yeah i want i wondered your thoughts

554
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:35,120
priscilla on it because you

555
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,480
obviously

556
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:37,600
there are

557
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,240
really understand about the body and the

558
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,240
universe and so on so forth right and i

559
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,320
wondered if it plugged into any of the

560
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,600
the things that you understand about it

561
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,960
the most

562
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,880
yes um first you know with those whole

563
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,240
document thing that everybody's an

564
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,080
uproar about it's great to get new

565
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,760
information but when i started looking

566
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:54,960
into it

567
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,200
because i have taken um like college

568
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,200
courses on researching you know i was in

569
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,679
a virology lab before i was a mom so

570
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,400
i did research things and even if i see

571
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:05,840
something that might corroborate

572
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,640
something i've heard from an experiencer

573
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,360
or myself or you know kind of the woo

574
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,120
aspects that are kind of popping up in

575
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,559
some of these documents we still don't

576
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,559
have all the pieces and then when i saw

577
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,080
some of it's coming from mufon and it's

578
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,840
really not clear in the original article

579
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,520
where these you know um people are

580
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,039
sourcing things from all over the place

581
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,679
so i do like seeing

582
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,760
it there that people are reporting this

583
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,440
sort of stuff and that it's coming out

584
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:31,840
but i'm still not ready to like

585
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,160
i don't understand it yet and it's not

586
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:36,000
and i don't think anybody has until we

587
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,919
see everything and everything not

588
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:40,400
blacked out on a document

589
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,520
it's going to be hard for us to

590
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,799
understand but i don't think that we

591
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,320
should stop talking about it because we

592
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,080
don't have proof i think that when we

593
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:48,000
see strange things on documents like you

594
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,559
know the infamous slide 9

595
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:53,200
we need to continue to keep that

596
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,270
yeah absolutely

597
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,440
um i'm a bit like uh dave i have another

598
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,720
time to actually look through them all

599
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,400
yet because there's just seems to be so

600
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,640
much of it um i think i want to wait a

601
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,000
little bit while till the dust settles

602
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,679
and then maybe have a bit more sort of a

603
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,600
more sensible look at things i'm

604
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,120
actually writing at the moment so i'm

605
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,400
i'm most of the time spent on that but

606
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,000
as far as i'm concerned it just seems

607
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,280
every time you have things like that it

608
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,120
throws up more questions than answers

609
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,360
yeah um and i think that's how it seems

610
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,559
to the whole thing seems to be

611
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:26,080
progressing at the moment that might be

612
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,440
a good thing however because it seems

613
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,799
like we've got a lot of information

614
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,880
coming through and it just okay yeah

615
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:32,400
it's throwing up these questions but

616
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,520
actually it's much more than we've had

617
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:35,120
and had in the past so really we

618
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,400
shouldn't be too ungrateful and we

619
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,400
shouldn't be too disappointed that we're

620
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,480
not getting things handed to us on a

621
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,559
plate it's actually better than what it

622
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,159
seemed to be 20 years ago where people

623
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,520
were just you know casting around for

624
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,440
anything and all the kind of weird and

625
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,960
wonderful and wacky stuff was coming out

626
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,880
and nobody was really moving forward

627
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,880
whereas now it seems to be having these

628
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:55,120
kind of progressions um we're actually

629
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,559
in sight of something you know that

630
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,880
might be tangible but it's just it's a

631
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,480
bit of still a bit of a slow and painful

632
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,240
process

633
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,000
yeah definitely i think one thing that's

634
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,440
happened in the last few days with it

635
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,440
all coming out so quickly is that we've

636
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,600
had people like john greenwald

637
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,480
uh alexander alejandra rojas keith

638
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,000
basterfield all getting all sap

639
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,919
documents emma parry as well yeah i was

640
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,280
going to say then the sun's getting

641
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,960
these documents it's like wait are these

642
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,280
all different who's got what

643
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,200
this and i guess you do need a bit of

644
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,600
time to let it settle to figure out what

645
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,120
is there

646
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,120
we should after all of us because annie

647
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,720
and i are going to do during the

648
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,320
breakdowns we're going to pick like four

649
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,080
or five dudes per breakdown and just

650
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:35,919
jump into them and do a little summary

651
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,000
um only a light one just because it'll

652
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,600
be interesting to see what's there

653
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,640
absolutely

654
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,400
for sure at the moment the the

655
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,640
prevailing notion seems to be that

656
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,039
susan goff and the dod has said that the

657
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
program had nothing to do with the uap

658
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,880
when actually digging into the dudes

659
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,679
even already people are seeing that they

660
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,760
have a lot to do with uap even if you

661
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,960
have to read a little bit between the

662
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,480
lines these things are some really out

663
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,840
they they contain really out there

664
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,440
thinking so

665
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,280
for for that statement to change from

666
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,200
chris sherwood's statement of yes it

667
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,919
studied uap to no it didn't

668
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,559
it's kind of a provable lie now and and

669
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,760
you've got to wonder you know at some

670
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,559
point

671
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,240
um in fact give me a second i can get

672
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,000
you the number

673
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:19,679
100 oh sorry 932 days ago susan goff

674
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,799
sent an email saying that she

675
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,760
all uap inquiries has come to her 932

676
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,200
days ago that's how long we've been

677
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,559
waiting for someone to go hold on a

678
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,760
second you're not allowed to do this

679
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,600
before and now we can prove that she

680
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,159
lied and because of the legislation we

681
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:35,679
actually have a legal apparatus to

682
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,799
pressure her with so game on susan well

683
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,320
somebody needs to start the game though

684
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,159
because we see this happen over and over

685
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,320
where people are caught lying

686
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,240
and they still

687
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,080
it's been a year it'll be years before

688
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,760
somebody actually holds them accountable

689
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,520
you lied to the world not just the

690
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,640
american public but the world and it's

691
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,840
not okay

692
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,600
yeah my hope there is because we've

693
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,440
still got the uh

694
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,679
the dod ig

695
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,840
report to come and there are currently

696
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,000
two complaints it seems in with them one

697
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,679
is to do with the dod's handling of the

698
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,880
issue and the other one is to do with

699
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,559
the dod's handling of lou alexander

700
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,559
specifically in his emails

701
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,559
all of those things should be able to be

702
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,000
held to account but

703
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,400
we need to await the report i i hope

704
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,000
it's something that scratches that issue

705
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,520
priscilla and we finally get some people

706
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,080
held to account because

707
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,520
it's whether it's something that's

708
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,280
understandable like okay this is some

709
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,799
weird technology i don't care where the

710
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,400
technology came from at this point i

711
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,520
don't care if it's from another

712
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,120
dimension i don't care if it's from some

713
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,799
planet we've never heard of

714
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,120
you lied you're hiding it

715
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,120
that's the bottom line and i understand

716
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,960
i understand national security my

717
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,640
husband's military like i want all the

718
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,640
military people the world to be safe i

719
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,320
want people to be able to have their

720
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,640
technology that they developed in a safe

721
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
space but a lot of this involves so much

722
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,960
more than military-related people we've

723
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,640
got civilians

724
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,919
thinking that they're going crazy

725
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,840
because they've witnessed something

726
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,600
we've got military people that have

727
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,760
trained and aren't afraid to die

728
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,600
that are afraid

729
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,120
because they don't understand it so this

730
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,799
is this is there's so many layers to

731
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,600
this that we need to explore

732
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,880
and and these are all the people we

733
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,120
trust you know on

734
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,520
9 11 dave fraver and his

735
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,279
unit would have been the guys to respond

736
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,120
to what was happening there if we can

737
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,520
trust them for that how how can we go oh

738
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,799
there's a glare in your windshield you

739
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,960
know it doesn't but they they're up

740
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,400
there every day and it's the same thing

741
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,400
and i always joke about my husband and

742
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:30,000
um if something's happening i'm like

743
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,279
dude unless your eyes hanging out of

744
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,679
your head he's it's not an emergency to

745
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,919
him yeah and and that's i and that's

746
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,760
somebody that's you know everyday life

747
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,679
can you imagine being in the air every

748
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,039
day

749
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,320
and then somebody's saying oh well that

750
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,440
was just venus

751
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,559
yeah and you're talking about what i

752
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:48,320
want to say i can't say because it's

753
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,990
it's not 9 pm yet

754
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,080
but there's talking about like the susan

755
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,400
goff and the stuff and the lies and the

756
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,159
deceiving and that i mean again that

757
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,279
goes back to what we've seen

758
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,799
historically

759
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,720
um we know from

760
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,480
you know the true purposes of blue book

761
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:10,000
and then pretty much trying to debunk

762
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,120
things and say there's nothing to see

763
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,799
here the robinson panel all that kind of

764
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,400
stuff graham and dave have you come

765
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,240
across that kind of thing when looking

766
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,720
at these older cases that it's not quite

767
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,320
straightforward

768
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,240
well thomas mantell one screen springs

769
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,679
to mind isn't it graham

770
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:26,159
uh yeah i mean one of many but yes yeah

771
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,310
the fact that that was covered up nice

772
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:36,070
yeah wait there i should change cheers

773
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,960
right yeah

774
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,400
yeah very good

775
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,760
i'm vinnie now

776
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,640
but the fact that they tried to cover up

777
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,960
mantel's um

778
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,360
you know death as oh he was just chasing

779
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,720
venus you know back in 1948 i mean

780
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,520
he was an experienced pilot

781
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,559
and

782
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,799
even his last radio transmissions he is

783
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,720
not describing venus

784
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,520
no he's no and and also this confusion

785
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,559
which um about how high he was uh

786
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,559
whether he was at a height that they

787
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,480
keep saying he is at like 25 000 feet

788
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,400
and above you may have only been at 20

789
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,240
000 feet there's some discrepancies in

790
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,000
terms of what the pile testimony is but

791
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,159
surviving witnesses and it's almost a

792
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,480
kind of not necessary cover about a ufo

793
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,559
but a cover-up just about incompetence

794
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,960
um and just a general kind of you know

795
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,880
malaise in the air force at the time

796
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,159
about how they were trained and how they

797
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,919
were flying together so there's a whole

798
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,679
lot of things wrapped up there but then

799
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,600
if you look at other cases throughout

800
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,880
kind of things i'm actually looking at

801
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,640
the moment in terms of what i'm writing

802
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,159
right through this kind of period from

803
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,960
about 48 through to about the mid-50s

804
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,120
there you know you just see time after

805
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,000
time after the time that the air force

806
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,679
either didn't know generally didn't know

807
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,400
what was happening and just came up with

808
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,440
things that

809
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,520
seemed to fit and therefore well okay

810
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:53,120
we'll use that because we've got nothing

811
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,080
else

812
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,600
and then let's move on to the next one

813
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,000
because we're getting case after case or

814
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,559
after as as mentioned the robinson panel

815
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,960
then there was a definite kind of look

816
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,679
we have to try and debunk these cases we

817
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,240
want an education program to say that

818
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,000
they're just mundane items and this is

819
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,320
how we teach people to recognize that

820
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,400
fact and therefore everything else just

821
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,960
is is then written off as a meteor as a

822
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,120
star you know as a planet whatever

823
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,919
another aircraft definitely not a ufo

824
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,840
and that was how the direction of travel

825
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,840
went and you can see in the reports

826
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,240
even started almost straight away after

827
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,159
january 53 when the robinson panel

828
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,799
convened that that directive that kind

829
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,360
of recommendation rather was adopted and

830
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,520
adopted very quickly and then

831
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,799
i've been having a look recently over

832
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,640
the last couple of months at some of the

833
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,159
cases from 53 and 54 and you can see

834
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,799
quite clearly that you know they're just

835
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,320
these explanations just come out of the

836
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,399
blue even when the testimony from the

837
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,799
pilots doesn't support what they came up

838
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,720
with it's oh well it must be venus

839
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,720
because it's in the general area or

840
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,559
venus was visible that day yeah but what

841
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,720
they've said doesn't match anything i

842
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,559
mean there's one about the um the boac

843
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:05,520
uh airliner crew who saw seven objects

844
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,960
of labrador um over labrador in uh in

845
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,279
june at the end of june 1954 and there

846
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,799
were six small objects and this bigger

847
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,080
one in the middle that kept changing

848
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,640
shape and even though the seven objects

849
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,159
were parallel to the aircraft at all

850
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,840
times so it wasn't as if it was an

851
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,600
aspect change they weren't seeing it

852
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,279
from slightly different directions as

853
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,640
they sort of flew around or anything

854
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,039
like that and yet this thing changed

855
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,919
three times different distinct shapes

856
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:32,559
and what was the um the atik and blue

857
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,549
i mean it gets pretty close sometimes

858
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,520
right

859
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:40,960
wow

860
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:51,190
[Laughter]

861
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:53,029
i take a screenshot so i can freeze my

862
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:54,399
screen and then i go off and make a cup

863
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,909
awesome right i'm sorry i've lost my

864
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:03,360
truck i've got notes next time you pass

865
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
me one of those glasses of wine please

866
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,799
i'm feeling a bit yeah sure no problem

867
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,760
thank you

868
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:09,200
yes

869
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,840
it doesn't work that way does

870
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,440
it one day um i'm just going to take a

871
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,279
moment to say thank you to everyone here

872
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,799
in the chat if anyone in the chat has

873
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,480
any questions for anybody on the panel

874
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,240
about anything

875
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,679
as long as it's clean

876
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,799
um

877
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,399
in capital letters because this is this

878
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,080
is you know we're talking about you know

879
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,320
important stuff but it is a chilled

880
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,760
conversation we're not going to stay

881
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,360
serious the whole time

882
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,960
so i'm actually going to change the

883
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,880
subject and go a little

884
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:36,640
less serious and say

885
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,280
individuals

886
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,279
[Laughter]

887
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,279
individually let's talk about your ideal

888
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,640
guest if you were to have someone on

889
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,480
your podcast uh

890
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,320
and this is dead or alive

891
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,440
from anywhere

892
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,360
anywhere in ufology who would it be and

893
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,600
why um so we'll start with you priscilla

894
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,840
oh my goodness i've had two i've had two

895
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:57,200
so dan

896
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,919
was

897
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,720
there

898
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,159
um

899
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,760
jeffrey [\h__\h]

900
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,640
was

901
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,520
just on my wish list and he's there but

902
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:08,399
obviously people want to talk to uh you

903
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:09,360
know

904
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:12,960
jacques ballet of course i feel like

905
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,399
i but i after having those two on i

906
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
don't know i don't know who i'm gonna

907
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,840
have on next because

908
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,520
those were on my wish list like i don't

909
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,360
know how to put it any other way

910
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,720
like i didn't think either of them are

911
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,760
gonna write back i didn't think

912
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,200
anybody's gonna respond same thing with

913
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,159
paula harris and you know um

914
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:31,200
i just

915
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,320
i feel like

916
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,919
i don't know who i'd want on i would

917
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,320
obviously one day love to talk to lou

918
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,080
but i think i'm too jittery still for

919
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,279
the blue stuff

920
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,240
um

921
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,600
first i'm afraid to ask

922
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,679
you know a lot of the

923
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,760
well he's biology

924
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,600
well he's a biology guy and so am i i'm

925
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,600
not a guy sometimes i am i've been

926
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,080
called bro before but like

927
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,159
um you know i'm a biology guy so he is

928
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,240
too and i'd love to pick his brain about

929
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,039
some theoretical stuff as far as um

930
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,039
like astrobiology type stuff but yeah i

931
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:04,399
think that that's probably like one of

932
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,279
my

933
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,440
i think that'd be like the next tier of

934
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,640
dream guests

935
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,240
that i could get on but i just i just

936
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,159
got done talking to

937
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,320
you know the ufo handbook cheryl costa

938
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,679
like i've had so many people on that

939
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,480
i've wanted to have on so i think like

940
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,640
obviously lou and his friends lou and

941
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,320
friends come on over

942
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,200
okay nice it's just our band yeah yeah

943
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,880
okay what about you you play dead or

944
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:29,039
alive so anybody

945
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,240
me

946
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,760
yeah right um well i was asked this on

947
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,640
um the noctipuken podcast a while back

948
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,760
and i said

949
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:40,080
um steven spielberg

950
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,120
oh

951
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,279
i want to know what he knows and why he

952
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,440
made what he made if he didn't know what

953
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,279
he knows

954
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,200
yeah that's really interesting i was

955
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,640
actually listening to something about

956
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,360
that

957
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,559
last night

958
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,679
just saying well it was actually

959
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,840
somebody stating for a fact that

960
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,200
spielberg was

961
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,640
pushed in that direction through you

962
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,399
know this hollywood

963
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,159
in the no kind of thing and of course we

964
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,120
don't know that um but it certainly does

965
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,480
raise so many questions i mean when

966
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,159
you've got jay allen heineck as a

967
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,159
consultant when you're making a film

968
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,399
about alien contacts and alien abduction

969
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,720
you know that kind of

970
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,880
you know raises a little flag somewhere

971
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,120
and then the alleged comments made by

972
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,840
reagan to spielberg when

973
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,480
he saw et saying oh yeah if any people

974
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,559
knew how close this was

975
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,320
um i think the other guy as well would

976
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,159
be james cameron

977
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,159
right um another filmmaker

978
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,000
because you know if you remember to

979
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,919
start the abyss

980
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,799
and you've got the uh the uso which is

981
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,279
traveling 120 knots which causes the uh

982
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,559
submarine to

983
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:44,880
you know beach itself on on a cliff

984
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,559
underwater cliff you know it's um

985
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,919
there's no way that he wasn't told

986
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,640
something else either

987
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,919
had someone

988
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,960
whispering in his ear some knowledge

989
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,039
yeah now that two very good choices

990
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,440
though oh you're making me rethink mine

991
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,080
yeah i know i'm like

992
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,440
i'm looking at the chat i'm like oh i

993
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,640
should pick somebody dead because

994
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,120
there's all these people

995
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,720
yeah anyone else anyone in the chat

996
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,080
throw yours in as well

997
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,720
we could have a seance guys

998
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,399
two dead people in that case we talked

999
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,480
about thomas mantell before the the f51

1000
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,519
pilot who was chasing after his venus um

1001
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,120
he would be you know to speak to him to

1002
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,880
find out what he was actually chasing

1003
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,640
and uh the circumstances actually

1004
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,320
happened as he saw it

1005
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,720
but the other person um yeah the other

1006
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,640
person is jesse marcel

1007
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,200
funny enough of the roswell incident um

1008
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,200
you know because obviously he came out

1009
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,360
of the wilderness in 1978 to talk about

1010
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,080
his story he approached um uh didn't he

1011
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,880
protest um stanton freeman didn't he to

1012
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,399
talk about

1013
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,399
the case and then it developed from

1014
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:49,840
there but he didn't have very long left

1015
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,360
did he because he was he was ill um and

1016
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,600
people yeah nowadays in terms of how

1017
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,039
they question and how they find things

1018
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,640
out it's probably a bit different from

1019
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,399
what happened back then in terms of you

1020
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,320
know getting sort of information out of

1021
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,440
people because things could be checked

1022
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,919
quite easily now or easy and much easier

1023
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,000
than the word back then um and i think

1024
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,240
avian is fascinating to talk to you

1025
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,000
because you don't see that you see

1026
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,000
interviews with him but you don't

1027
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,520
necessarily see the kind of level that

1028
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,359
we'll get to now with talking to people

1029
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,679
at length and all the rest of us and and

1030
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,839
interviewing people um when you can see

1031
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,760
them on podcasts etc and you can see the

1032
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,280
facial expressions and you can see you

1033
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,119
know the demeanor and all the rest of it

1034
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,800
um i think it'd be fascinating to talk

1035
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,200
to him and foresee him being interviewed

1036
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,879
uh nowadays but i'll say that you know

1037
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,879
those days are long gone unfortunately

1038
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,960
yeah great choices before i ask you down

1039
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:38,079
i'm just going to go through the chats

1040
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,280
we've got

1041
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,079
uh dan aykroyd john mack

1042
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,320
edwards

1043
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,800
coral lorenzen len stringfield dan

1044
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,520
aykroyd again nicola tesla oh then she

1045
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,119
took mine

1046
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,440
oh i'll pick a different one i saw that

1047
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,879
yeah

1048
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,399
mine mine are pretty boring because mine

1049
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,000
would be someone that's involved in like

1050
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,800
the uap task force you know this this

1051
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,440
gap between when lou left atip to now

1052
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,280
who who's been working

1053
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,880
behind the scenes then we don't really

1054
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,640
know the names and the ins and outs the

1055
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,720
intricacies of the work so i'd like to

1056
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,640
speak somebody there but then also

1057
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,560
someone like marco rubio minor boring

1058
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,480
senators i want to know what they talk

1059
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,320
about in the senate and in the congress

1060
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,079
and that behind the scenes in those

1061
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,160
corridors when they're you know the uap

1062
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,680
conversation comes up so mine might be

1063
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,119
pretty boring but

1064
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,359
i'm just being honest so

1065
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,240
nice i've got a few and because i

1066
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,839
haven't started the podcast yet some

1067
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,320
some of these areas can be filled so i'd

1068
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,400
love to speak to a devout thalamite

1069
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,560
that's someone who is into essentially

1070
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,560
what crowley created i think that would

1071
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,560
be really interesting to talk about

1072
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,119
all of that stuff plus jack parsons and

1073
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,160
you know the

1074
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,720
the jpl nasa the

1075
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,800
how they created the rocket designs i

1076
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,960
think that'd be really interesting um

1077
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,680
probably tim taylor if only to get him

1078
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:57,760
to tell me how to stop drinking coffee

1079
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,359
so i can focus on the protocol right um

1080
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,079
walt disney would be one oh i think that

1081
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,000
would be super interesting even if it

1082
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,760
was just for the creative stuff you know

1083
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:09,040
who knows you might be able to unfreeze

1084
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,349
and kennedy i think he would be a very

1085
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,240
interesting guest again outside of uap

1086
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,800
stuff um and ufo stuff i don't wanna

1087
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,359
anger anyone uh which one

1088
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,560
which one

1089
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,200
um

1090
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:32,800
oh

1091
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,430
you're not the one

1092
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,470
the one that

1093
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,720
accidentally ingested the bullet the

1094
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,480
magic bullet

1095
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,000
several

1096
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,520
um

1097
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,040
yeah about marilyn as well yeah i was

1098
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,400
excited you'd have to have maryland yeah

1099
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,839
that would be interesting i'd love to

1100
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:58,240
talk to marilyn again for other reasons

1101
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,839
than uap i think it'd be interesting

1102
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,800
because she created a persona um and

1103
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,880
active creamperform personas i find

1104
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,640
fascinating and if you're not sure what

1105
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,960
i mean go have a look at jim carrey and

1106
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:11,040
where he is now and listen to he did a

1107
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,160
commencement speech he's very

1108
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,760
spiritualist and he's kind of lost his

1109
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,240
sense of who he is and that makes a lot

1110
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,000
of sense to me because he's in the

1111
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,480
public limelight and psychologically he

1112
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,000
he probably can't he doesn't know where

1113
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,760
the line is between his performance and

1114
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,400
his actual self and he's become very

1115
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,960
introspective and probably young young

1116
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,720
um so i think he would be super

1117
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,960
interested to speak too soon as well

1118
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,119
he would be interesting because of that

1119
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,800
it's like did he forget who he was or is

1120
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,520
he remembering who he actually is

1121
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,119
do you know what i mean i love that

1122
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
question

1123
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,960
and the the thing is about him as well

1124
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,000
is

1125
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,560
like looking at crowley and crowley and

1126
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,000
and jack parsons and all these other

1127
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,000
people some some people kind of lose

1128
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,320
themselves to spirituality and if you

1129
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,680
want a good example of that look at

1130
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,000
jared leto of 30 seconds to mars he's

1131
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,599
very spiritual person but he's very

1132
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,200
selfish he's not kind of remembering

1133
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:03,119
that you know supposedly love is the law

1134
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,160
and that's what you're meant to walk

1135
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,119
with um whereas jim carrey i find a very

1136
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,119
empathetic person and he just wants to

1137
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,800
protect other people's experiences that

1138
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,400
they have in life and i think that's

1139
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,920
really beautiful so i'd love to kind of

1140
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,920
prop him up and yeah talk to him about

1141
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960
that stuff

1142
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,480
let's get them on dan's show guys let's

1143
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,000
start

1144
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:22,240
it's amazing a few more from the chat

1145
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,280
we've got sean's coming up with some

1146
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,599
dream panels here can i have one more

1147
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,440
because you can i would love to speak to

1148
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,440
lou's wife oh

1149
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,839
oh my

1150
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,800
gosh be such an interesting conversation

1151
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,320
oh it would be so personal though like

1152
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,839
think about all the behind the scenes

1153
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,800
stuff

1154
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,520
yeah i i think oh i mean maybe maybe

1155
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,440
i'll get to speak to jen privately one

1156
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,880
day but she's a

1157
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,040
an absolute rock of a person i mean she

1158
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,119
must be to support doing what he's doing

1159
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,880
and to be the guy that oh to be the

1160
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,960
person that he comes home to to unload

1161
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,560
all of this stuff yeah

1162
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,320
yeah i think that's an incredible story

1163
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,920
waiting to be told absolutely if she

1164
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,599
ever wants to tell her that's a good one

1165
00:39:03,349 --> 00:38:58,720
yeah

1166
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,359
saying frank edwards and ross cool like

1167
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,720
uh yeah

1168
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,720
oh yeah right he's mixing up the eras

1169
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,720
and stuff like that definitely

1170
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:10,960
that's amazing uh jaylen heineck is a

1171
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,270
i like what sean's doing here john

1172
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:20,720
lennon

1173
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,200
experiences i recommend i think they're

1174
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,200
on medium so just google john lennon

1175
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:32,000
medium bryce zabel and uh he's the guy

1176
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,280
that directed ducks guys if you're not

1177
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,720
sure and he's got an upcoming betty and

1178
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,960
bonnie hill show uh which would be

1179
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,440
amazing but yeah have a look and yeah

1180
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,040
so many brilliant people right have

1181
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,520
experiences david bowie as another one

1182
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,560
who had

1183
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,240
you know an amazing experience an

1184
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,680
amazing artist

1185
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,920
and just an amazing world view before a

1186
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,760
lot of people had that world view like

1187
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,119
especially on

1188
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,440
um people being prejudiced against who

1189
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,280
they put on tv as far as their color of

1190
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,119
their skin goes like david bowie was

1191
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:01,680
ahead of all that and when mtv was still

1192
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,640
like what you know when they started so

1193
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,000
it's interesting these people that have

1194
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,240
had not just ufo experiences but any

1195
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,880
metaphysical experience at an early age

1196
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,720
or anywhere in their life creates this

1197
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,680
like

1198
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,160
insane opening of creativity or

1199
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,440
knowledge it doesn't even have to be

1200
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,520
creative it could just be like just

1201
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:22,480
knowledge like what graham does you know

1202
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:23,359
yeah

1203
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,800
got the dentist

1204
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,560
i i think we'd have to torture the info

1205
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,400
out of eisenhower

1206
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,240
podcast

1207
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,319
toothpaste that's a really good one i

1208
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:38,640
like this one jay says whoever is the

1209
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,650
nordic running mount shasta these days

1210
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,839
[Laughter]

1211
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,520
that we're not afraid of the gin if you

1212
00:41:03,349 --> 00:40:47,920
can find a gin i would happily host a

1213
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,829
you guys you guys i love it i love this

1214
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,640
um

1215
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,119
so keep it in this kind of mellow vein

1216
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,520
recently here in the uk we had ufo week

1217
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,520
on blaze tv throw in a load of

1218
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,200
documentaries that have you know been

1219
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:16,960
out for a while a couple of sort of

1220
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,480
newer ones so if anybody now was sort of

1221
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,640
approached by a friend or a relative

1222
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,319
that sort of said you know what what

1223
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,160
should i look at where should i start

1224
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:28,240
without saying the phenomenon

1225
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,520
because that's kind of the one thing

1226
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,839
i'll say what would you guys say you

1227
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,720
know or you know what's a bit you know

1228
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,720
what what's appropriate do you think

1229
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,520
well

1230
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,119
without saying the phenomenon and

1231
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,560
especially not saying it in the in the

1232
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,560
in the style of the muppet song

1233
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,470
the westall 66. um documentary

1234
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,640
um you know you two just throw sorry uh

1235
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,720
the west hall 66 document it was really

1236
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,319
really good yeah

1237
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,560
yeah it's so in-depth and it just but it

1238
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,640
takes its time as well it's not just

1239
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,319
throwing thing after thing after thing

1240
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
out of you it actually just lets you it

1241
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,839
just builds up and builds up

1242
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,000
and it's very atmospheric and very just

1243
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,319
very knowledgeable how it comes across

1244
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,240
and just you know sort of digs into the

1245
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,319
case uh i was absolutely fascinated when

1246
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:17,040
i saw it first time around um it's but

1247
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,160
you know i've seen it a couple of times

1248
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,000
afterwards i've just rewatched it

1249
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,680
because it's just so fascinating so

1250
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,880
encourage people to watch that they

1251
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,480
haven't seen it already

1252
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,920
absolutely i thought i really enjoyed

1253
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,079
that one definitely

1254
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,200
anybody else any any recommendations i

1255
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,640
think

1256
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,079
phenomena

1257
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,079
as far as kind of getting away from that

1258
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,760
sort of if people were more concerned

1259
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,240
about or interested in the more

1260
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,800
less nuts and bolts types of stuff um

1261
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,800
the extraordinary series

1262
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,240
there's all sorts of sorry it sounds

1263
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,920
like there's an elephant up there but

1264
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,400
it's just my kids um they the

1265
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,000
extraordinary series covers a bunch of

1266
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,240
different things from actual cases to

1267
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,160
the way out their fringe area of

1268
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,880
hybridization so that one or the ross

1269
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,000
culture

1270
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,319
cult heart ones

1271
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,800
yeah oh absolutely i think if anyone

1272
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,160
wants to start

1273
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:09,200
at a really low level basic level

1274
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:12,880
um the first series of on the trail of

1275
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,839
um flying sources with from small town

1276
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,880
monsters

1277
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,119
um you know seth breedlove and shannon

1278
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,319
gray will just

1279
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,200
go into all the hot spots of you know

1280
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,119
classic ufology like area 51 and roswell

1281
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,000
and just

1282
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,440
trying to work out what makes people

1283
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,839
believe in ufos

1284
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,200
you know whether they've seen something

1285
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,800
or whether they've heard from someone

1286
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,319
else you know

1287
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,119
it's kind of that's almost like an

1288
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,319
introductory series of knife and

1289
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,359
and then you go on to phenomena

1290
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,839
yeah good point i'll say what dan

1291
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,680
started to say which is phenomenology

1292
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,880
which is the one that we've just

1293
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,319
finished filming of course i'm going to

1294
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,160
be biased but i think people will be

1295
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,319
surprised at how that turns out

1296
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,480
um one thing that i think is

1297
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,760
hopefully going to be interesting is

1298
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,760
when the tear in the sky releases there

1299
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,680
is going to be some scientific

1300
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,440
peer-reviewed data apparently coming out

1301
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,880
at the same time and i quite like the

1302
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,000
idea of

1303
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,079
a documentary that has data and stuff

1304
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,160
for the science and academia to look at

1305
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,680
at the same time that's something we've

1306
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,000
not really seen before so i think

1307
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,000
that could potentially be

1308
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,760
be pretty good i think yeah that would

1309
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,800
be awesome

1310
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,400
i know i know with phenomenology there

1311
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,520
should be some things dropped at the

1312
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,119
same time as

1313
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:28,720
the episode drops that'll be real

1314
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,079
interesting to see that um for me i'm

1315
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,480
going to choose witness of another world

1316
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,880
i really love that film um

1317
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,359
it's not just about the sighting or

1318
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,800
whether it happened but it's the effect

1319
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,480
that it has on the person in their life

1320
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,920
and how it changes their life and i

1321
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,359
think that's such an important thing

1322
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,680
that we can get you know yes there are

1323
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,920
these things in the sky but they seem to

1324
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,680
be doing something to us and it for me

1325
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,440
it's been nice this week seeing focus

1326
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,720
come back to

1327
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,760
what

1328
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,599
the effect these things have on people

1329
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
you know jack valet thinks it's

1330
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,720
inspiring us along a path of innovation

1331
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,640
or something or like a control system

1332
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,079
other people think that they're doing

1333
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,839
experiments it's you know full of

1334
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,119
speculation but

1335
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,480
the effect they have on us you know if

1336
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:10,079
they're here for something with us

1337
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,119
they're here

1338
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,359
for us so we should be studying that i

1339
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:15,119
think it's really interesting the the

1340
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,319
other thing that i think people should

1341
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,680
watch and only because you guys have

1342
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,079
kind of covered the bases on the on the

1343
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,240
entry points um i'm going to throw in

1344
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:24,079
third eye spies and men who stare at

1345
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,960
them

1346
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,200
just because this side of the phenomena

1347
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,520
is such an important part of it and it's

1348
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,599
ahead of us and we're almost starting to

1349
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,599
address it now but it's the weirdest

1350
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,599
stuff like

1351
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,680
i don't want to say psychic but

1352
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,920
you know the the the essentially psychic

1353
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,079
spies the americans used and

1354
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,119
uh project gateway or stargate um and

1355
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,119
all the things the monroe institute do

1356
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,680
with remote viewing i think

1357
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:51,040
they're really interesting resources

1358
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,079
that are going to come into play a

1359
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,359
little bit more as we walk down this

1360
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,520
path so i think if you want to get a

1361
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,359
little bit ahead of where this is going

1362
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,599
have a look at that stuff and i i think

1363
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,680
you'll be solid

1364
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:03,280
good choices

1365
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:09,030
so

1366
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,560
i guess the next point i wanted to talk

1367
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,839
about is kind of

1368
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,000
it's a little bit difficult really to

1369
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,079
question is kind of going forward what

1370
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,560
what we want to see for the maybe not

1371
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,480
not so much like the next five or ten

1372
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:22,000
years but just for the rest of this year

1373
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,200
you know because

1374
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,560
sometimes we feel like we're in a bit of

1375
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,160
a down period and i think that's when it

1376
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,599
brings out the worst of people because

1377
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,839
they've got nothing to focus on but

1378
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,359
in an ideal world where does people

1379
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,640
think

1380
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,160
where would they like to see the subject

1381
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,520
going and

1382
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,200
and why what you kind of going to be

1383
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,079
doing to keep yourselves busy in that

1384
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,800
time as well that's for anybody who

1385
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,359
wants to chime in

1386
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,800
i'll chime in

1387
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,119
i obviously want to see

1388
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,119
more governments

1389
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,000
and their agencies getting involved

1390
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,640
on a serious level and i want to see

1391
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:58,560
more progression in the united states

1392
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,680
government

1393
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,520
and on a human level

1394
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,440
i want more people

1395
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,240
to become experiencers in a way that

1396
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,280
they can

1397
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,680
expand without having you know their

1398
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,119
life turned upside down because some

1399
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
people's experience is really like

1400
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,319
ontological crisis happens and all that

1401
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,400
stuff and on that now we have biological

1402
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,960
effects you know um talked about more

1403
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,200
but i do think that the people

1404
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,880
need to be talked about more and i would

1405
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,680
love to see more people take that up

1406
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,280
kind of like what jay is doing with

1407
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,960
experience your group

1408
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,200
to for everyday people because there's

1409
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,119
more of us than there are professional

1410
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,480
people and i get

1411
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,920
i get why people want to look at

1412
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,240
military personnel incredible witnesses

1413
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,400
i get that at the same time i've met so

1414
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,240
many people

1415
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,000
that have had their lives turned upside

1416
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,640
down by just seeing a light in the sky

1417
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,800
that they could not explain

1418
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,599
so

1419
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,200
or the fact that the government has

1420
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,720
mentioned it

1421
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,480
like in a serious way

1422
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,960
this is freaking people out so i think

1423
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,480
that there needs to be more people

1424
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,599
holding space and that's where i would

1425
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,119
love for everything to go i think that

1426
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,720
the government stuff and the nuts and

1427
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,880
bolts stuff is being taken care of but

1428
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,760
we need to take care of people as well

1429
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,640
yeah

1430
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,319
it's been a long time

1431
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,480
i'd like to say the uk government um

1432
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,480
sort of reach somewhere even

1433
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,000
halfway towards what the american

1434
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,480
government are sort of currently sort of

1435
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:21,200
grappling with is to overturn this oh

1436
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,480
there's something in 50 years and

1437
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,319
nothing of defense significance kind of

1438
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,920
mantra that keep coming up with so i'd

1439
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,839
like to see a more recognition actually

1440
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,359
there's a you know something out there

1441
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,839
that is is tangible is real and needs

1442
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,760
explaining rather than just this you

1443
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,000
know cozy little dismissal of oh there's

1444
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,760
nothing to see here move on so that

1445
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,440
that's the the kind of thing i'd love to

1446
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,440
see in the next year i'm not sure it's

1447
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,359
going to happen unfortunately and how i

1448
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,160
deal with this kind of down time i write

1449
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,720
um yeah that's what i do i dig out the

1450
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,400
old cases i try and find parallels

1451
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,400
between the old and the new and just

1452
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,839
maybe a way of

1453
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,839
putting these into the public realm and

1454
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,599
in case people haven't seen them before

1455
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:59,119
and maybe just offering a little you

1456
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,480
know a few nuggets of information along

1457
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,079
the way for people just to add to what

1458
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,839
they already know or if they already

1459
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:05,280
know about what i'm writing then just

1460
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,309
yeah

1461
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,960
dave what about you

1462
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,359
what do you focus on well i want to

1463
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,359
i agree with graham the uk government

1464
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,680
does have to start acknowledging this

1465
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,640
because

1466
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,240
they're looking pretty ridiculous at the

1467
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,920
moment i mean they look ridiculous

1468
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,119
anyway

1469
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,800
because we got a complete circus and

1470
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,040
buffoons in charge

1471
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,119
um but it it's not just the government

1472
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,559
that needs to acknowledge this as well

1473
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,000
it's uh

1474
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,680
our military

1475
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,200
and

1476
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:39,680
our departments you know the mod

1477
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,280
needs to say look all right we had it

1478
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,839
we've moved it elsewhere

1479
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,680
good luck finding it but it is elsewhere

1480
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,760
and we are still looking at it

1481
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,119
um yeah

1482
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,960
and you know what

1483
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,720
as soon as i get this last mango i'm

1484
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,839
just gonna chill out for a bit six

1485
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,520
months right

1486
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:01,040
i think six months to write a book could

1487
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,160
be

1488
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,240
pretty good you know i know graham would

1489
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,760
turn his nose up at that say i could get

1490
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,839
here

1491
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,160
no no no no

1492
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,079
and yeah i'm excited

1493
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:14,079
i'm excited for you

1494
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,280
yeah so

1495
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,960
can you give us a clue on where your

1496
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,119
direction would go with the book yeah i

1497
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,359
posted the synopsis on twitter the other

1498
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,960
day

1499
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,079
i missed it

1500
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,240
i did see it it's fiction truth through

1501
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,599
fiction

1502
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,880
that's good though we need some good

1503
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,559
vehicle

1504
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:33,119
i i was off twitter so i missed it

1505
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,559
i'll try and find it and post it in the

1506
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,160
description of this that's a challenge

1507
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,280
for me

1508
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,640
it was brilliant

1509
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,559
um

1510
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,160
dan i think you have some talking points

1511
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,559
didn't you yeah i just wanted to ask

1512
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,640
each of you a question if that's okay

1513
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,079
because you're all kind of really well

1514
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,720
versed in certain things and and yeah i

1515
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,640
just wanted to be specific so priscilla

1516
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,400
based on your background like there's a

1517
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,400
little crossover with what lou studied

1518
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,319
when he was coming through his college

1519
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,839
and you know virology and stuff like

1520
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,760
that and i just wanted to throw the

1521
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,760
question out there of what do you think

1522
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,760
of the idea that viruses are another

1523
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,839
form of

1524
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,520
life well i that was actually what i

1525
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,400
wanted to study um i aced my virology

1526
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,640
class i had virology internship

1527
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,200
um i was doing genetic or genome

1528
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,359
libraries for certain viruses that my

1529
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,800
mentor was studying

1530
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,599
and there is um a lot of people kind of

1531
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,680
take what they see like lou mentioned

1532
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,559
that there are that viruses have rna

1533
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,720
and we all have rna but it's also

1534
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,839
important to

1535
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,520
say that there's different types of rna

1536
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,680
viruses single strand double strand and

1537
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,920
the same thing with dna viruses

1538
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,280
single strand double strand they get

1539
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,800
weird

1540
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,640
my mentor believed they were alive

1541
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,640
because you know

1542
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,800
what we consider life is things that

1543
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,960
sort of metabolize respond to their

1544
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:51,760
environment change over time

1545
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,960
um consume and they kind of like hijack

1546
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,160
ourselves

1547
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,520
you know so that might be their way of

1548
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,280
consumption through us

1549
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:00,800
which is interesting

1550
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,920
so we need to realize like at the basic

1551
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,000
form what life actually is because even

1552
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,800
our mitochondria has its own dna

1553
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,079
so

1554
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,920
i mean basically the thought behind that

1555
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,760
is that something eta mitochondria and

1556
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,520
here we are you know so

1557
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,200
um and that's a very dumbed-down version

1558
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,280
of course but yeah i think that people

1559
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,800
need to realize that life might come

1560
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,640
in different ways

1561
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:26,960
and that we need to look at other ways

1562
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:30,319
that other building blocks may combine

1563
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,599
and get it out of our head that

1564
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,040
something we see

1565
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,640
might not well something we might see

1566
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,960
that's alien or extraterrestrial might

1567
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,040
not actually be that different from us

1568
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,359
on a building block level because there

1569
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,599
are so there are only so many

1570
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,839
elements that can create life right and

1571
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,400
we learned it as sponge right hydrogen

1572
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,920
you know sulfur

1573
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,359
phosphorus

1574
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,960
that's like the acronym to remember them

1575
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,480
so we need to look for more things i

1576
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,680
know there are people studying like you

1577
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,359
know silicon it's a possibility and all

1578
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,280
that but um yeah i just think that

1579
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,880
people need to broaden their definition

1580
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,040
of life and especially with the virus we

1581
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:05,280
don't know if it's sentient or not or if

1582
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,480
it's just some

1583
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,720
machine just doing what it's doing

1584
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,760
because of a chemical process

1585
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,359
but i think that i'm on the leaning

1586
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,480
towards the side that they're alive

1587
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,640
because they change so much and we even

1588
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,839
have

1589
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:20,079
our genome has a certain percentage of

1590
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,040
virus

1591
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,760
dna in it

1592
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:25,760
that's great amazing answer it's really

1593
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:32,150
i wrote a paper on it and i was like

1594
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,680
they're kind of like weird little aliens

1595
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,200
and my professor loved it um would you

1596
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,680
wrote a paper on it would you be able to

1597
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,920
i wrote a paper on ebola for um

1598
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,400
undergrad and yeah i could try and find

1599
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,920
it i don't know if i still have it

1600
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,000
it's on my old mac like it's on the old

1601
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:48,000
mac that's like this big still like

1602
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,720
so

1603
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,240
um but yeah if i find it i'll send it

1604
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,839
your way because his commentary on it

1605
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,760
was like that's a weird way of looking

1606
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,000
at it but i like it so yeah it's

1607
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,520
interesting isn't it cool they're very

1608
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,480
interesting

1609
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,839
thank you so much priscilla i like how

1610
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,680
you said you dumbed it down a bit

1611
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:04,559
a lot of it still went over my head

1612
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,760
um next one is for graham i i know

1613
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,040
graham spent a lot of time looking at

1614
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,400
historical cases and it's been

1615
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,720
everything from like meteors to

1616
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,800
you know just balls of light to discs

1617
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,680
into yada yada so on so forth and i know

1618
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,440
privately we've spoken about this but i

1619
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:21,119
just wanted graham to talk about his

1620
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,520
ideas that oh or his opinion of whether

1621
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,440
what's known and described as ball

1622
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,760
lightning could be responsible for a lot

1623
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,800
of these sightings you're looking at

1624
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,079
with foo fighters and stuff like that

1625
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,760
would you mind talking about that graeme

1626
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,880
yeah i mean

1627
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,839
the

1628
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,079
ball lightning i i posted something

1629
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,760
about this a couple of hours ago on

1630
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
twitter

1631
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,720
it's been put forward as an explanation

1632
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,079
not just for the foo fighters but

1633
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,079
everything you can think of since then

1634
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,079
um but the jew is still out as to what

1635
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,480
ball lightning is and it's not you know

1636
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,400
that scientists say that it's not

1637
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,720
reproducible you know the data it's it's

1638
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,480
something that's still quite ephemeral

1639
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,640
they can't work out exactly what

1640
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,880
whether it exists and if it exists how

1641
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,559
it works and you certainly can't

1642
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,960
reproduce it anyway and they can't come

1643
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,559
up with the same kind of variables all

1644
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,799
the time so it's a bit like kind of

1645
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,319
trying to you know sort of catch fog in

1646
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:12,640
your hands you know it's just it's just

1647
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,520
very very flimsy and as to whether it

1648
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,160
exists well some people think it is

1649
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,599
and then some people think it doesn't

1650
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,440
and some people like me

1651
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,799
sit in the middle because we don't know

1652
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,240
one way or another and i'm afraid i'm

1653
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,000
not qualified to be able to give a

1654
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,839
determination as to whether it is or not

1655
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,319
i don't simply know enough about it and

1656
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,000
about how it's what its properties are

1657
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,480
supposed to be and how it's supposed to

1658
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,319
form and move

1659
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,799
bear in mind you know how it does

1660
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,440
i i hear people set talking about it i

1661
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,440
had somebody um message me today

1662
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,160
privately saying they had a video or a

1663
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:49,040
short section of video of in a house

1664
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,400
either their house or somebody else's

1665
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,440
house i can't remember now um so

1666
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,319
you know

1667
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,640
trouble is you can assign

1668
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:58,720
anybody who sees what what people call

1669
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,079
orbs of light or things moving around um

1670
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:04,000
you know people photograph these things

1671
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,520
and put them on twitter and talk about

1672
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,240
them you could assign the label ball

1673
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,520
lightning to that you could have signed

1674
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,839
foo fighters as ball lightning and

1675
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,240
anything in between but i don't know

1676
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,000
it's the answer i'm sorry i'll i'll sit

1677
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,839
you know quite firmly on that fence and

1678
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,920
get splinters up the backside because i

1679
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,160
simply don't know i'm sorry

1680
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,400
no this is what i love about you and

1681
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:26,160
same for everyone here actually is we're

1682
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,599
all willing to say i don't know and i

1683
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,880
think most of the problems of the world

1684
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,640
we'd be able to at least identify the

1685
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,079
problem if people were willing to say i

1686
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,520
don't know you know but if there are

1687
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,960
more qualified people out there who

1688
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,119
could give you an answer to that i'm not

1689
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,799
one of them unfortunately you know done

1690
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,319
cool no that was a great answer thank

1691
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,000
you so much yeah you're right though but

1692
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,440
i think even qualified people still

1693
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,960
don't understand what ball lightning is

1694
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,079
exactly

1695
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,520
you know we see this cropping up in so

1696
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,760
many different countries hostile and

1697
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,359
phenomena the columbia thing that we

1698
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,760
looked into there's relations everywhere

1699
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,839
londondale down the road from here where

1700
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,599
we are now and this has been going on

1701
00:57:01,270 --> 00:57:00,160
for hundreds of years reported so it's

1702
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,280
been looked out for a long time and

1703
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,799
still no answers so that's really

1704
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,160
important and

1705
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,599
you know

1706
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,920
strange yeah yeah yeah

1707
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,680
so next question dave

1708
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,960
is for you

1709
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,880
um so we we've talked about many

1710
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,839
subjects and some might be touched on in

1711
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
your book some might not and a lot of

1712
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,520
them are close to home for me because we

1713
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,440
speak about cases in wales and areas in

1714
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,599
wales and stuff like that so i was

1715
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:25,440
wondering if you could just let people

1716
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:30,789
rippers and farm rippers and farm there

1717
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,390
in white chapel yeah it's a different

1718
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:38,400
one yeah

1719
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,309
that was a family called the coombs

1720
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:45,440
family

1721
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:48,319
who were like tenant farmers

1722
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,280
um

1723
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:50,799
basically they managed the farm for

1724
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,880
somebody else who owned it um and

1725
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,520
one of the first experiences they had

1726
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,200
well this was a

1727
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:02,240
husband and wife and you know five

1728
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,839
children i think varying ages

1729
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,440
one of the first experiences they had

1730
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,160
the mother was driving back through the

1731
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,680
country lanes up from broadhaven and

1732
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:15,520
there were two kids in the car and they

1733
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,160
were followed by a football-sized

1734
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,680
glowing object

1735
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:23,760
as they were going through the lanes

1736
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,040
um the sun i think was the one who first

1737
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,680
raised the alarm or noticed it and said

1738
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,720
mum there's something outside the car

1739
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,920
and it's following us i don't know what

1740
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:34,240
it is and you started freaking out

1741
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,280
um

1742
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:37,280
and the mother actually stopped the car

1743
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,000
and

1744
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,480
you know this ball of light was just

1745
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,200
zipping all around the car um

1746
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,720
you know it wasn't it didn't actually go

1747
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,680
into it but it it went down the driveway

1748
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,680
because they weren't that far from

1749
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,599
their house as well either

1750
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,200
um so they were kind of freaking out and

1751
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,040
then it disappeared and she put food

1752
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,640
down got the drive and they all rushed

1753
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,359
inside the house

1754
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,480
now the woman um mrs kim's pauline kim's

1755
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,319
i think her name was she was friends

1756
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,040
with rosa granville who owned the haven

1757
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,799
four hotel

1758
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,240
um which is just on the road from

1759
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,720
broadhaven and overlooks a

1760
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:15,119
you know overlooked surprise bait

1761
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,400
for anyone who's familiar with that pile

1762
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,599
of whales

1763
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:19,440
and there's an outcrop in the middle of

1764
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,559
the sea called stacks rocks there

1765
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,799
which could be seen from ripperston farm

1766
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:25,839
and

1767
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,359
the havenford hotel um one day you know

1768
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,720
rosa granville was looking out her

1769
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,280
window and she saw something

1770
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,880
flying towards the tax rate she thought

1771
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,160
it was going to crash into it didn't

1772
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,359
know what it was

1773
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,880
she waited for the explosion and this

1774
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,960
thing just disappeared

1775
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,359
as soon as it hit the rocks next thing

1776
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,319
she's looking at it through her

1777
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,240
binoculars and she sees two figures

1778
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:48,240
walking down what look like steps on the

1779
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,280
rocks

1780
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:52,160
and disappear

1781
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,280
now

1782
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,920
she immediately well she did phone

1783
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,920
pauline coombs at various occasions

1784
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,119
about things she'd seen there was

1785
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,880
surprise bay

1786
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,319
um

1787
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,319
and this will be

1788
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,160
kind of explained

1789
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,680
the future i've just started reading the

1790
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,319
the differed ignik mode by randall few

1791
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,720
as well so that's you know kind of

1792
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:14,240
refreshing my memory a bit on the whole

1793
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,359
case

1794
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:17,040
but at ripperston farm as well it was

1795
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,319
kind of like the well skinned walker

1796
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,680
ranch because there's that amount of

1797
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,760
paranormal and euphorical things

1798
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,559
happening in that area

1799
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,040
there was one occasion where

1800
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,440
the tvs would blow up for no apparent

1801
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,079
reason you know the fuses would go

1802
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:34,000
um to be static coming through the

1803
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,040
screen

1804
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,680
and antenna would just you know play up

1805
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,839
and they replaced their tv set

1806
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,920
you know christ knows how many times

1807
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,920
they had engineers out come and look at

1808
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,280
it they couldn't further them out a

1809
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,119
problem i mean this back in the 70s you

1810
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,720
had these massive

1811
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,440
just wooden boxes with these big crt

1812
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,359
screens you know you have to get up and

1813
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,880
change the channel by twisting the knob

1814
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:57,040
on the front of the set

1815
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:58,160
um

1816
01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,280
yeah

1817
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,680
you know these were unnerving times and

1818
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:02,960
you know

1819
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,960
the coombs mrs coombs parents

1820
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,720
actually experienced things on that farm

1821
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,720
as well and they weren't

1822
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,240
too happy that their daughter was being

1823
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,760
involved with this so she was they were

1824
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,760
trying to convince her to you know go

1825
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:17,280
and stay with them and a couple of the

1826
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,799
kids actually did go and stay with their

1827
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,200
grandparents at some time

1828
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,400
you know because it was just all

1829
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,240
freaking them out so much it was bovine

1830
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,880
location as we saw as we've heard of the

1831
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,880
skin walker ranch

1832
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,270
yeah what else was that

1833
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,710
yeah that's one of the

1834
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,400
better books

1835
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,000
and yeah that's one that's one of the

1836
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,000
early uh ones that has the stories and

1837
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,000
isn't it dave yeah it was i mean peter

1838
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,559
paget before he went completely cuckoo

1839
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
and claimed he worked for gthq

1840
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:50,880
like a few years ago

1841
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:53,839
um he actually worked he was actually

1842
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,960
living in warminster and was part of the

1843
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,720
you know the warminster ufo groups at

1844
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,440
the time in the late 70s and he was

1845
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,200
asked by

1846
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,680
i think the sun newspaper to go over to

1847
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:07,119
broadhaven

1848
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,559
and check out what all these flying

1849
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,119
saucer reports were and the welsh

1850
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,000
triangle was the result of that book

1851
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:16,240
sorry this is a result

1852
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,079
yes from 74 to 78 the broadhaven primary

1853
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,079
school

1854
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,760
landing was february 78.

1855
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,359
yes i think a lot but what i've noticed

1856
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,039
when i've mentioned the welsh triangle

1857
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,039
is people assume it's a case a single

1858
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:33,680
case involving a triangle it's not it's

1859
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,750
yeah i mean milford haven in the south

1860
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,079
and then you got um

1861
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:43,920
you know some david's broadhaven and

1862
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,119
then up towards aberystwyth as well

1863
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,039
you know that whole area it's a big

1864
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,760
mining and farming community as well so

1865
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:53,440
you know there have been theories that

1866
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,480
sometimes ufos are seen around mining

1867
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:58,000
areas depending on the geology of the

1868
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,599
area

1869
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,640
um

1870
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,319
i mean going back to ripperson farm as

1871
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,920
well there was

1872
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,319
a figure seen outside

1873
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,280
the window by um

1874
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,880
you know pauline coombs one night as

1875
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,640
they were watching tv

1876
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,079
with her husband

1877
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,880
um and this was later

1878
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,039
all half explained away

1879
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,119
by the local police because this guy

1880
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,880
came forward i think in the 90s that

1881
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,440
said he'd

1882
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,119
he got hold of a load of firefighting

1883
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,280
equipment or asbestos

1884
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,720
you know proof of equipment which was

1885
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:32,480
all silver and he'd heard about all

1886
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,920
these flying report flying sourcing

1887
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:36,000
reports so he decided to make a little

1888
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,799
bit

1889
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:39,359
you know prank a few people

1890
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,240
um

1891
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,319
but you know it didn't explain what else

1892
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,640
was going on you know whether he was

1893
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:46,160
that figure that was seen outside the

1894
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,760
window he was

1895
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:49,520
you know a bit mad but there were

1896
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:52,799
reports of men in black as well you know

1897
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:54,640
mysterious figures turning up in big

1898
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:57,760
silver rolls royces that make no noises

1899
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,319
it drove across the gravel

1900
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,920
um yeah it's

1901
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,400
totally strange and i recommend anyone

1902
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:06,799
to get the uninvited i can't remember

1903
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:11,190
but it's like a

1904
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,870
um you know semi-fictional books that

1905
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,720
looks at what was going on at the time

1906
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,960
especially on ripplestone farm

1907
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,640
wow

1908
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:24,559
i think that was yeah that was written

1909
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,470
i love those cases where it's

1910
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,559
it's not a case it's a

1911
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:34,880
load of different events right

1912
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,520
i mean you had the us ocean

1913
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:39,359
oceanographic

1914
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,119
research site

1915
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,200
as well which was just on the road

1916
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,319
uh from raf broady broader boardry broad

1917
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,400
broader broadhead

1918
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,799
um you know they saw lights over irish

1919
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,079
broadly as well and they set up an

1920
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,640
investigation didn't really

1921
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:55,920
you know couldn't really explain

1922
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,880
anything

1923
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,079
um

1924
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,160
you know and that was one of the files i

1925
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,760
got from the national archives last time

1926
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,680
which i didn't get to

1927
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,480
oh so next time i go back i'm gonna

1928
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,359
yeah look at that one first

1929
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,960
nice yeah i feel we definitely need a

1930
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,440
trip back yeah i feel like even since we

1931
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:15,680
last went i've i kind of went in a bit

1932
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,119
blind and

1933
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:18,960
now i think if i go back i can be a lot

1934
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:21,280
more specific about what i actually won

1935
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,119
yeah it's a learning process isn't it

1936
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:27,039
i i have a question for you as well dave

1937
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,640
that was great and for all of you that

1938
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,280
was a really great example of exactly

1939
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,119
why the community loves you just

1940
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,039
unexpected answers or wealth of

1941
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,799
knowledge and especially just knowing

1942
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,400
the raf based names and mounting it back

1943
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,319
and both seeing you you take that for

1944
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,559
granted but honestly so many people

1945
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,079
wouldn't do that they just do the wrong

1946
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,640
thing and not check so you know thank

1947
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:48,640
you for all the work you do but i i have

1948
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,029
so you guys have met disclosure bro on

1949
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,319
instagram but you you might not have

1950
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:58,000
seen him here so the question i have for

1951
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,359
both of us vinnie and his brother is how

1952
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:02,880
does it feel to be part of the first

1953
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,349
i mean i don't really know

1954
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:11,119
i want them to like leave the screen and

1955
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,920
then

1956
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,520
switch or oh no you've got the tattoo on

1957
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:14,880
your neck never mind

1958
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:16,240
oh this is how we tell the difference

1959
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,839
put some scarves on that's how the mob

1960
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,119
told the difference vinnie's had that

1961
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,000
since he was a baby actually

1962
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,160
he's just here moderating on his ipad so

1963
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,000
shout out he's always here to all the

1964
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,920
moderators and

1965
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,680
yeah yeah

1966
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,520
well listen guys before we finish let's

1967
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,200
just go around and say like what you've

1968
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:35,920
got coming up next on your podcast um

1969
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,400
whether it be a guest or a case with

1970
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,920
you know with dave and graham so

1971
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,359
priscilla what have you got coming up um

1972
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:43,039
i'm gonna look that way don't mess this

1973
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:44,839
up because

1974
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,440
um i

1975
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,760
have a feeling i'm gonna mess it up

1976
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,599
so um i have

1977
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,520
the gentleman from malicious labs coming

1978
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:56,960
on uh on april 13th and he does a lot of

1979
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,359
research with

1980
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,359
physics and consciousness

1981
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,440
he's a really interesting person

1982
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,359
and if he watches youtube it'll

1983
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,440
definitely make you think and

1984
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,039
i'm going to have him on i'm working

1985
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,880
through his book that he sent me

1986
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:13,200
it's it's very there's a lot of physics

1987
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,559
in it so

1988
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:16,559
if you do read his work then just be

1989
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,160
ready for that but i'm gonna have him on

1990
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,079
i think it's gonna be super cool

1991
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,920
um to talk to somebody that's actually

1992
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,359
really studying that from a physics

1993
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,880
standpoint that actually understands

1994
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:26,160
physics

1995
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,680
no that's amazing

1996
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:29,119
graham and dave what have you what have

1997
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,150
but we were we we're gonna do

1998
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,960
the battle of los angeles nice

1999
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:40,079
um

2000
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,119
i think

2001
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,039
yeah it depends if graham's moving the

2002
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,079
house or back in books or well yeah um

2003
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,319
yeah um most of my house this is the

2004
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,839
neatest part of the house at the moment

2005
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,440
the rest of us in complete turmoil

2006
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,960
because uh we're sort of planning to

2007
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,599
move to scotland in the near future so

2008
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:56,720
um

2009
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,160
yeah we're disgusting with it would do

2010
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,240
without the los angeles and maybe throw

2011
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,760
something else in that might be you know

2012
01:08:09,029 --> 01:08:06,640
sort of number associated with some same

2013
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,039
kind of area of time um but also you

2014
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,400
were going to talk about the the shaver

2015
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,920
mysteries at some stage as well weren't

2016
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:13,920
you that's another one you got lined up

2017
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,759
well you were so enamored with the uh

2018
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,550
yeah no incredulous i think that word

2019
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,839
was

2020
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:25,440
yeah well this one you're gonna leave

2021
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:31,349
but yeah we're gonna we've got plans to

2022
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,600
tackle um like part jack parsons um

2023
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,880
tesla

2024
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,440
maybe

2025
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,159
the good thing is about the show

2026
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,920
oh

2027
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,839
no

2028
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,440
the good thing is though is that you

2029
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:49,120
know we both have our bits that we know

2030
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,839
and

2031
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,520
sometimes you know the site we don't

2032
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,759
know about so i learned a lot about

2033
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,279
maury island because i wasn't that clued

2034
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,520
up on it i'd read bits about it and i

2035
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:59,279
knew the connection with kenneth arnold

2036
01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,000
but

2037
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,839
dave just kept coming out with detail

2038
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,920
after detail after detail much like he's

2039
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,279
doing with the welsh side we just talked

2040
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,960
about there and it was just like they're

2041
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,880
kind of it was just like wave after wave

2042
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,199
of information and i was surfing this

2043
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:13,679
these waves of kind of incredibly just

2044
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,480
going what there's more and then every

2045
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,080
every new bit information was just like

2046
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,440
more bunkers than the last bit

2047
01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:23,040
i got the i've always got the big one

2048
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,840
just stop

2049
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:26,400
[Laughter]

2050
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,359
crying at one point

2051
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,440
when do you guys need to make a like a

2052
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,839
ufo research for dummies episode because

2053
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,520
not that anybody's a dummy but you know

2054
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,759
like the books guys like the for like

2055
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,679
beginner research or something like that

2056
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,000
because um even with normal like

2057
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,880
research like uh skills or you taking a

2058
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,400
class on research like there's not

2059
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,480
necessarily like

2060
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:49,759
like when i was doing research for

2061
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,880
biology it was like there was these

2062
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:54,960
you know uh journals that you could go

2063
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,760
to

2064
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,000
there's not really that for this in that

2065
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,000
way so i think that you guys should put

2066
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,080
something together whether it be a cheat

2067
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,000
sheet or a little mini segment or a

2068
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,239
whole segment that tells people like if

2069
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,159
you want to research these are like your

2070
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,400
steps because so many people will read

2071
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,159
something like that article that's

2072
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,000
flying around not realizing it came from

2073
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:16,080
the sun not realizing where the sun got

2074
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,520
that you know it's

2075
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:19,760
how to research in layers because people

2076
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:22,000
will do one level of research

2077
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,440
on the internet and never look into

2078
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,280
anything else besides that and we all

2079
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,280
know what the internet if

2080
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,520
it like the what you type in

2081
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,360
will give you what you want

2082
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,960
no everything is true it will give you

2083
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,640
what google wants you

2084
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,480
exactly yeah but google is you now

2085
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:39,280
because it knows what you want so

2086
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,800
so it'll it'll give you articles that

2087
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,719
support what you want to hear what

2088
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,480
you've been researching versus what you

2089
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,640
guys do is look in like you do the first

2090
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,840
layer it seems like and then you go

2091
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,520
deeper deeper deeper

2092
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:51,120
that's what people need to know how to

2093
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,320
do and not a lot of people know how to

2094
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,679
do that so that's my personal request

2095
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,280
from you guys that came out of nowhere

2096
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:57,199
thanks for

2097
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,840
awesome entertaining

2098
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,600
i saw some there were some questions on

2099
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,120
twitter about this horse happened the

2100
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,360
dirt sting and if people had read skin

2101
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:04,719
walkers at the pentagon or ross

2102
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,840
courthouse in plain sight

2103
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,600
there's stuff in there that will tell

2104
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,840
you exactly what that you know give you

2105
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:13,120
the answer to that question that they

2106
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,080
asked so

2107
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:16,400
you know read books rather than discord

2108
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,679
or twitter

2109
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:19,360
it's more entertaining for us books are

2110
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:23,760
longer than 240 characters dave i know

2111
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:29,990
that's a really good point that is

2112
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,800
really is uh dan now we can talk about

2113
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:34,640
what you've got coming next up next week

2114
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:37,280
andy but i guess so i'll do i'll do and

2115
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,880
your podcast so with andy we andy spoke

2116
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,280
to abby loeb uh yesterday and that was a

2117
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,679
fantastic conversation um i haven't

2118
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,080
edited it yet but basically we we had

2119
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,159
about two a4 sheets of questions and

2120
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,400
abby elaborated so much on the initial

2121
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,159
few that we only really got through

2122
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,640
about one page um

2123
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,800
some some interesting new stuff as well

2124
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,280
um then hopefully we'll have

2125
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,960
an interview with lou

2126
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,800
so we we really want to kind of aim to

2127
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,880
make this one our best one yet so if

2128
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,880
anyone has questions send them in but

2129
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:11,120
we'll really be filtering these and kind

2130
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,560
of going deep on the research that

2131
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,840
people have done online to see what he

2132
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,159
hasn't hasn't answered um to try and

2133
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,159
kind of make the best use of that time

2134
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:20,000
uh we'll also be doing an ama which is

2135
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,600
like an ask us anything or a live

2136
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,719
calling so people can see that then

2137
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,239
we've got on

2138
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,920
or i've got rather on the first of may

2139
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:29,840
the first episode of phenomenology comes

2140
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,040
out um vinnie's in that too

2141
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,880
so you'll see us kind of out boots on

2142
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:37,120
the ground investigating a lot of things

2143
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,719
i don't want to spoil it but around the

2144
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:40,159
same time we'll also be doing after

2145
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,840
every episode we'll be doing a kind of a

2146
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,840
live because we will be watching it live

2147
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,800
with you for the first time um and

2148
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,560
also just before we're going to do a

2149
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,400
kind of behind the scenes

2150
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,840
showing just a lot of stuff that you

2151
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,440
won't see in the documentary it was just

2152
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,960
you know as we were traveling all that

2153
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:56,080
kind of stuff

2154
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,440
and you also get a good idea of what the

2155
01:13:02,390 --> 01:12:59,840
experience was like for us and then

2156
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,400
aside from that uh you may know that i

2157
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,320
work with olaf rockner i'm the

2158
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,320
incredible artist

2159
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,920
we work together on graham's book cover

2160
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,480
for the foo fighters uh cover and a

2161
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,159
bunch of other things but we'll be

2162
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,560
launching a company soon where it's

2163
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,880
literally for esoteric art so if you

2164
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,800
need anything be a book cover be it a

2165
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,960
depiction of a personal sighting be it

2166
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,960
absolutely anything basically if you

2167
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,560
find it hard to visualize where you're

2168
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,760
guys

2169
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,719
nice

2170
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,159
just a little bit then you've got coming

2171
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,719
in amazing well for me personally

2172
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,480
we're away for the next few days

2173
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,239
in scotland but then i'm back on the

2174
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,000
13th here with

2175
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,560
mr richard doty so that's a

2176
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,760
controversial one but i'm looking

2177
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,360
forward to that i'll be good

2178
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,440
i've got lots of other guests coming up

2179
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:45,600
my diaries i need to re sort my diary

2180
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,199
out i know i've got dr david clarks

2181
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,880
coming back on with we're going to be

2182
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,560
talking about a couple of uk cases from

2183
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:53,360
the 50s now with some actual pilot

2184
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,679
testimony interviews that david did with

2185
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,320
the pilots before they passed away and

2186
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,840
these interviews have never been heard

2187
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,760
so we're going to play some of those and

2188
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,840
david's going to go over the cases

2189
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,880
um

2190
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,239
yeah i've got lots of other things

2191
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,560
coming up but just subscribe here and

2192
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,679
follow

2193
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,360
me and everyone here on this panel

2194
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,040
across all the social medias all the

2195
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,640
links are in the description below for

2196
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,360
everything so uh yeah guys thank you so

2197
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,719
much for an amazing conversation i

2198
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,480
really appreciate it i really do it's

2199
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,000
great thank you

2200
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,760
thanks

2201
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,199
for get to do this in the pub together

2202
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,080
you included yes

2203
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,870
i have no problem i mean

2204
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:34,719
i will make it happen guys even if it's

2205
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:40,070
[Applause]

2206
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:41,520
hey i'm sure the family wants to go to

2207
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,470
it's great meeting you dave

2208
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,679
yeah

2209
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,679
this is new connections you just assume

2210
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,600
that everybody knows everybody

2211
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,120
i feel like i know him but this is the

2212
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,719
first time i met himself

2213
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,800
that's awesome a massive shout out to

2214
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,239
everybody here in the live chat

2215
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:03,920
everybody that watches this on youtube

2216
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,239
after the fact everybody that listens to

2217
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,080
this across all the different uh podcast

2218
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:10,000
platforms through the anomalous podcast

2219
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,040
network

2220
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:13,280
big shout out to andy mcgrillen we love